Fathering from the Heart: Debriefing the First Cohort
Noah and Dave sit down to reflect on the completion of Fathering from the Heart's first cohort — what landed, what surprised them, and what it means for what's coming. More than a debrief, it's a genuine conversation about why this kind of work matters right now. They talk about the deep hunger men carry for intentional community, the warrior's willingness to feel pain in service of something greater, the quiet alchemy of ritual, and what it looks like to consciously choose your identity as a father rather than just inherit one. It's honest, warm, and grounded in the actual lived experience of over 30 dads who showed up for 12 weeks
Show Notes:
We just finished our first full cohort of Fathering from the Heart, and we couldn't let that pass without sitting down to talk about what actually happened — what the dads said, what moved them, and what we're taking with us into the next round.
In this episode, Noah and Dave reflect on:
What made this cohort different — over 30 dads across five groups (some online, some meeting in person in Boulder, Denver, and Paonia), all working through the 12-module program together
The hunger that surprised us — not just for connection, but for intentional connection; the kind that doesn't leave you feeling empty afterward
The warrior archetype reframed — willingness to feel pain in service of a greater cause, and why that's exactly what's needed right now
Discipline as devotion — why showing up weekly, even when you don't want to, is one of the most fathering things a man can do
The magic of ritual — what happens in a container that's been set with intention, and why that's more counter-cultural than it sounds in an age of AI and infinite scroll
Redefining the role — moving from default autopilot (or TV archetypes) to consciously choosing the kind of father you actually want to be
Fathering ancestrally vs. traditionally — finding the gold that's been buried, and surfacing the blueprint for wholeness that lives in our lineage
We also talk about what's coming: Cohort 2 launches September 17th. If you've been feeling the pull, it's not too early to start thinking about who in your life might be ready to do this with you.
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Transcript:
Podcast: Debriefing FFTH First Cohort
Noah: [00:00:00] Hey, and welcome to "The Council of Fathers" podcast. I'm Noah.
Dave: This is Dave.
Noah: And we are here to talk about, explore, and be on this wild journey we call fatherhood together. Today, we are going to dive into a beautiful conversation that's a reflection about the completion of our first cohort of Fathering From the Heart, with the backdrop of lots of world events that are showing us how needed and important this work is right now. And Dave, why don't you just take us right into some reflections , on what this, this initial cohort was, and maybe even how or why our Fathering From the Heart is a little bit different from what we've been doing up until now.
Noah: now.
Dave: Yeah. [00:01:00] Love to. , We just finished this course, Fathering from the Heart,,
Dave: which was 12 modules that walks through a deliberate journey.
Dave: Sort of the intention is really to do fatherhood intentionally. That's intention twice. But yeah, that we're rather than just, uh, going through our, our lives as dads, you know, stumbling through and doing the best we can to respond to all the challenges that arise, the course is really developed to, to help us be intentional about the role, the identity, the skills that go into parenting, the attitude, the posture, the challenges.[00:02:00]
Dave: And we cover a lot of territory over 12 modules, and we use myth, and we use storytelling, and we use practical skills, and- We do a bunch of that in Council of Fathers cohort groups, but it's, you know, maybe in the background where in this course, Fathering From the Heart, it's in the foreground. part of the curriculum.
Dave: And the other main difference is that our Council of Fathers cohorts are in person in this very room, in our recording studio/, retreat space/dance space/ sl- okay, that's
Dave: Okay,
Noah: that's enough.
Dave: And
Dave: Fathering From the Heart is online so that we can reach folks outside of [00:03:00] Boulder, and we really have. Yeah. So that's been cool.
Dave: We had over 30 folks- Yeah ... over 30 dads participating in this first round. We had couple groups in Boulder. We had a group in Denver. We had a group in Paonia. Um, so that was really cool to have dads from all over the state. We had, we had a dad from out of state. Mm-hmm. Uh, so reach is another big difference.
Dave: And there was a sentiment that, you know, there's, there's some wish to be together in person, but it seems like the convenience of meeting online and, um, yeah, the reach, uh, make it a really worthwhile Zoom activity.
Dave: [00:04:00] activity.
Noah: Totally. Well, and I-- And f- and for those who aren't familiar, three of the groups of men who are gathering, the one in Paonia, the one in Denver, and one of the ones in Boulder, are meeting in person, and they're going through the program, you know, sort of as their own little mini men's group with us supporting them from afar through the curriculum and through the, the prompts and the, the practices.
Noah: And so it's, it's kind of not a either/or, it's actually a both/and. If there's a dad somewhere in the country who, who doesn't have that kind of group where they live, they can do it online with us and with the other dads who are doing it online. But if somebody lives in Washington, D.C. or Austin, Texas or wherever, you know, um, they can organize a group of dads locally to them, and we have a facilitator's guidebook that we share so that they can do [00:05:00] it together in person, um, but have the scaffolding and, and, and the, the container support that, that we offer.
Noah: So-
Dave: Yeah, it's amazing how many men we talk to who would love to be in a men's group but don't know how to, how to structure it. Mm-hmm. And so this provides a, uh... It's a, I mean, the guidebook is really a how-to around forming a men's group and leading a men's group, and we provide the content for intentional conversations, which is the difference.
Dave: Yeah. You know, a, a, a difference. I think we're gonna talk about that today. Like- Yeah ... the key, um, takeaways or the key gems that, that surfaced from this first round of Fathering From the Heart that we got, feedback around [00:06:00] what it was that was meaningful for dads.
Noah: And share
Dave: gonna share
Noah: yeah. Why don't, why don't...
Noah: Do you wanna kick us off with that?
Dave: that? Well, one of the first takeaways is common to the cohorts we run in general, which is that dads express this almost insatiable hunger for gathering in community with other dads.
Noah: dads. Mm-hmm.
Dave: You know, it's almost like, we could have provided any kind of content.
Dave: Uh, but what happens when a bunch of dads are in the same room together, whether that's a Zoom room or an actual physical room, is there's a sense of, uh, a shared journey together, and the sort of isolation and loneliness of parenting behind closed doors, starts to break down, and dads [00:07:00] feel like they're in it together with other dads.
Dave: They feel like, uh, they're not alone in their struggles, that they're, that, that they're journeying together with others. And there's this just, like, tremendous relief that dads feel, when they get to hear other people's stories and share their own stories and, and be heard. Something happens that's, healing from just interacting together.
Dave: So that's, that's sort of the first thing is,
Dave: intentional community focused around fathering. Totally. And
Noah: Totally. And I think that , you really... Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with that one. And I think it's, it's, it's noteworthy and, and contrast worthy with Less intentional, less focused kind of connection.
Noah: Like,, one of the things we hear is that while,, the dads [00:08:00] are excited to have any opportunity to sort of socialize, that,, sometimes they're left feeling a little empty, a little alone when they hang out in containers, uh, in contexts that don't invite emotional availability or vulnerability or sort of an openness.
Noah: That, watching the game with friends is nice. It's... And it's,
Noah: Fun ...
Noah: fun, right? But it doesn't, it doesn't, , feed that hunger that you, that you described in the same kind of way. , And I don't think it's an, it's an either/or, though sometimes with all of the responsibilities of life, we do have to choose and prioritize one over the other, at least during certain phases of, of parenting.
Noah: But I think, that, that piece with community and, and specifically,
Noah: , Community that's, that's meaningful, that's intentional, that's,, oriented towards, towards a, a depth of connection., It was, it was definitely something that was big for [00:09:00] the guys in this program.
Dave: community and, and specifically, , community that's, that's meaningful, that's intentional, that's, uh, oriented towards, towards a, a depth of connection,, was, was definitely something that was big for the guys in this program. Yeah. And to, to zoom out for a moment, you notice in the culture at large, when men don't have something positive and healthy and healing to focus on, there is someone ready
Dave: to provide something toxic, something, , violent, something,, divisive.
Dave: For every course like ours that is available, there's hundreds of folks out there trying to feed discontent. And you, you, you see what happens when men who are restless and angry and,, wounded find something that feeds that fire. You know, it, it spreads [00:10:00] quickly. And so,, on, on our small scale, I think we're just-- we're trying to provide s- , a nutrient, , something that is really, a positive healing focus for dads.
Noah: dads.
Noah: Yeah. And I, I guess in hearing that, I just wanna name that there, there is something maybe a little bit,, scarier and harder, in- Making a choice to engage in a program like ours, it requires a certain le- level of, of courage that we're actually asking men to, look under the, the rug, to open up that closet,
Noah: to
Noah: We don't, obviously do that on day one, but, but that part of the program is an invitation to, to feel the pain that, that they're in, so that they can be free from it,, and so that they can [00:11:00] not accidentally continue to, to perpetuate the pain that they're in.
Dave: they're in.
Dave: Yeah.
Noah: And so , there's a way in which, I wanna applaud the, the men who, who made the choice to, to join us on this, on this, yeah, on this last journey and, and applaud, you know, even,
Noah: like
Noah: the men who are gonna choose down the road to join us again., It's not the easy choice.
Dave: Yeah. We talk in the course about the archetype of the warrior. Mm-hmm. And one definition that I've heard of the warrior that I like is the willingness to feel pain in service of a greater cause, right? , And in a way, that's what we need right now, is for men to be willing to feel difficult emotions, to feel discomfort in service of [00:12:00] connection, of care, of support, of moving in, a healthy direction.
Noah: Service- Mm. ... of a greater cause, right? And, and in a way, that's
Noah: I love-- I, I,
Noah: what we need right now, is for men to be willing to feel
Noah: sort of reclaiming-
Noah: to feel discomfort in service of connection, of care, of support, of moving in a healthy direction. Yeah. And it feels really... I mean, I love the way you just described that, and I love-- I really do love the way we r- we're sort of reclaiming that word warrior and,
Noah: , I think about the book "The Way of the Peaceful Warrior."
Noah: Yeah., But yeah, that, like, there's something archetypally about the, the, the energy and the gesture and the movement of that, um, of the posture of the warrior that doesn't have to be oriented towards violence if, uh, or towards even fighting, right? Yeah. , But it also-- But it doesn't, it doesn't shy away from pain or difficulty.,
Noah: And, and there's, there is an element of,, not, subjugating or, uh, repressing [00:13:00] emotions or pain, but of learning how to sublimate-
Dave: Yeah.
Dave: Yeah. To process fully. Yeah. And to... Yes, I like the word sublimate. You mean to, to use for- benefit
Noah: of others,
Dave: others, the folks we care about.
Noah: folks we care about. Mm-hmm.
Dave: Mm-hmm.
Noah: Yeah. There's an alchemy there.
Noah: So yeah, why don't you bring us into one other key takeaway from our-
Dave: There's an alchemy there. So yeah, why don't you bring us into one other key takeaway from our- Takeaway number two is just about the, the discipline of meeting regularly, right? So takeaway one was about when we gather as a group, as a community, there's power there. But the other theme that came up was when I make time for myself as a father on a regular basis, it serves my family, right?
Dave: And I use the word... I love the [00:14:00] word discipline 'cause it has the word disciple in it, ? And discipline is something like becoming a disciple of something that is very important to us,? We, we show up. I don't feel like going to Fathering From the Heart today. I've had a rough morning. I'm not feeling like a stellar dad.
Dave: I'm not sure I wanna be witnessed today. I have other things I could be doing, getting work done. But this is important. I want to hold my commitment to myself, and I want to hold a commitment to fatherhood. So that alone is powerful. I'm setting aside time and space, and I'm prioritizing fatherhood.
Noah: is powerful.
Noah: and the word [00:15:00]
Noah: I'm setting aside time and space, and I'm prioritizing fatherhood.
Noah: Yeah. Well, and,
Noah: the word like discipline and disciple to me also evoke,,
Noah: a
Noah: a quality of devotion, a quality of, of reverence. , And I think another thing that helps us enter into that sort of mindset and posture, one of devotion and, and reverence, is ritual, which is something we incorporate actively into each session, and we talk about as, , there's a whole module devoted to ritual and ceremony.
Noah: , And the ways that,
Noah: ,
Noah: That infuses , our disciplined gatherings, , our regularity, our rhythmic connection with, - magic. , I can't think of a better word, ? , , There's something richer. It's like , , when you light the candle - and take that breath, like the energy in the room shifts.
Noah: , And there's something... Going back to that hunger, , we're all hungry for [00:16:00] magic. We're all hungry
Noah: for that thing that happens in our hearts,
Noah: when we make the choice to be in relationship with life in the fullest way we know how. . And so those two really pair together as, as takeaways, both the, the devotional disciplined regularity and the, the quality , of ritual and reverence that we bring into it.
Noah: Um, and I think I just wanna name that, , we meet pretty much weekly for, for 12 weeks, which is a, a really powerful,, rhythm-
Dave: Yeah ...
Noah: and, and regularity, and that we're really excited that at, after, at the end of the 12 weeks, there's an opportunity to enter another container that has a more sustainable monthly rhythm to it, the Fire Keepers Circle, , which is where people who have completed the Fathering From the Heart program can, can enter into and be part of a bigger [00:17:00] collective , of dads, , who are all devoted to an, to the discipline of, of fathering, you know, from their hearts.
Dave: . The discipline and as you said, the magic, ? So- Yeah ... so sort of bringing in not just the warrior archetype, but the magician archetype as well.
Noah: I didn't even do that on purpose. Well,
Dave: Well, I, I really, it was-- I, I was struck by how touched dads were by the integration of ritual
Noah: Mm-hmm ... into
Dave: into this course. It seems so simple.
Dave: We're, we're sitting by a candle right now as we speak. , It, it's a simple process, and yet it pays in, , dividends. And I was thinking about my, my son's , martial arts teacher. , He, he made this point to talk to the class about [00:18:00] how what happens in that dojo is sacred. You bow before you get onto the mat.
Dave: , First of all, you put on a uniform, then you bow, then you, you speak certain words to begin the practice together. And what happens on that mat is different than what happens outside of the dojo. It's integrated into what happens outside of the dojo. That's the point. But there's a container A mandala that has created, that allows for, as you said, magic.
Dave: It allows for something that to happen that wouldn't otherwise without the container. So I've really appreciated that integration , into the course , and we got that feedback [00:19:00] from dads as well.
Noah: to happen that wouldn't otherwise happen-
Noah: Mm-hmm ...without the container. So yeah, I really appreciated that integration- Mm ... , into the course , and we got that feedback from dads as well. Yeah. And , I don't wanna stay on it too long, but I just have to, , name and acknowledge that , in this era of, , AI and technology and, , in a lot of ways, th-those things , have m-m-magnetized us away from ritual , s- and
Noah: kind of replaced,
Noah: , , The space that, that ritual would've taken up for us.
,
Noah: , And so there's, , something powerful about reclaiming it. I, I'm just thinking about the fact that, it's wired into our brains , to do ritual , and , , to be in ceremony and, it makes sense that we're hungry for it , and it makes sense that, , having ways to incorporate it is really nourishing.
Dave: Yeah. Just, you know, if you're listening to this, every time you walk through a doorway, you know, you have an opportunity to pause and [00:20:00] do it intentionally. Walk into the room with intention. And when you walk into the room with your kiddos as a dad, you have-- You can do it unconsciously or you can do it consciously.
Dave: You could make a ritual out of that threshold, threshold You ready for the third takeaway,
Noah: am ready for your third takeaway. yeah.
Dave: My third tur- takeaway was that simple practices make a big difference. Mm-hmm. So this course is filled with lots of, , little practices that you and I have picked up along the way that we share in cohorts with,, dads frequently.
Dave: Each module has some sort of skill that we talk about and, encourage dads to, to try [00:21:00] out. Some skills in working with our own nervous system, working with thoughts, working with triggers, skills for working interpersonally,
Dave: communication skills.
Dave: , Lots of these little skills that, give dads something to work with, something to try out and an edge,?
Dave: Like, you could try to do it without any tools, but,, when I get home today, I have to fix my deck, and I'm glad I have hammer and nails. , It would be tricky without it.
Noah: I'm glad I have a hammer and nails.
Noah: the...
Noah: Mm-hmm. You know? It'd be tricky without it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and in that, there's the... We, we practice those skills live in the groups at time, you know, the listening, the articulating, the, the communicating.
Noah: , And for the groups that are doing this in person together in, their little group-led version, they're also [00:22:00] learning and practicing, the, the skill of group facilitation , and leadership, , which I think is , really special and powerful. , And... My, takeaway that mirrors that is, is the,
Noah: the, ,
Noah: the choice we have around,
Noah: ,
Noah: How we define our roles as
Noah: fathers.
Noah: Mm-hmm. Like,
Noah: the sort of , the context that we create for ourselves as fathers. So if we all grew up watching, , Al Bundy , as the archetypal father or, , whoever those other TV characters that aren't coming to mind for me right now are. , What happens , when we decide , to define ourselves as, , the spirit keeper of the family or, , or a leader?
Noah: or, , or a leader?
Noah: Yeah.
Noah: when we identify with the notion of being a community member, and... , what's required of us to be a father and a community member and to father our children and to uncle, our friends' kids- Mm-hmm ... , as a [00:23:00] father, ? , There are choices that we can make around how we choose to identify our role, define our role, , identify our values, and express those values through our role as fathers.
Noah: A lot of the dads- In the program had already come in with some level of reflection and thought at some point. But what I heard again and again and again was that having an opportunity to revisit the question of who do I wanna be as a dad in a container of other dads, to have an opportunity to, to connect with what are my core values as a dad, , is something that we all need to do, but, ,
Noah: aren't gonna decide, "Oh, well, this, this Thursday at 4:15 I'm gonna take a break from work and sit down with a list of [00:24:00] values, and work that out," .
Noah: Or, "Next Saturday I'm gonna make a manifesto for myself as what it mean... And I'm gonna revisit it." You know, sometimes we need the scaffolding of, of a community container , of other brothers , who are gonna be in that process with us. And then we get to have those conversations of, "Oh, that's a core value for you.
Noah: That's so interesting, and that inspires me in this way," or, "That has me questioning my value of this in that way, , and that actually helps me deepen my relationship to my values , and deepen my respect and love and care for you
Noah: have those
Noah: desire to support you in expressing your values."
Dave: for you.
Dave: That's so interesting, and that inspires me in this way," or, "That has me questioning my value of this in that way, and, and that actually helps me deepen my relationship to my values and, and deepen [00:25:00] my respect and love and care for you and, and desire to support you in expressing your values." Yeah.
Dave: Absolutely. I was talking with someone today who is in a leadership position in, in their work, and they were saying just how, , , when roles aren't clear in a group of people, it's very hard to go somewhere together. , It's, it's-- If everyone's playing the same position on a basketball court, it's...
Dave: Well, it's even trickier on a football field, , when everyone has the same role. And, , most of us when we become dads, I, I wasn't provided a job description. You know, I wasn't provided an articulation of the role of father.
Noah: Mm-hmm.
Dave: Mm-hmm. I had my memories of being a child of a father. I had, , images of my friends' parents, fathers, and as you've mentioned, I had television, , role models.
Dave: But to sit down and think about where are [00:26:00] we headed as a family, and what position do I wanna play? What role do I wanna play? Man, that's different, you know, than just- Uh, showing up and filling in the gaps and trying to pick up the pieces and following, right? That's the sort of alternative to leading is following, .
Dave: And we're not talking about the leader of the family. We're talking about a leader- Yeah ... , of the family. And , again, zooming out to the culture at large, it seems like what culture needs in part right now is a clear role for men to play that is helpful and healthy and productive. [00:27:00] And, , father is probably, , the, the most important role that, ...
Dave: It's my most important role, that's for sure, . But , it's an influential role in shifting society.
Noah: . But it, it's an influential role in shifting society. Yeah. Well, and I want to just, you know, you hinted at it, but let's make it a little more explicit. We may have our own ideas about what our role is as a father, and the partners, the mothers of our children, our co-parents, right?
Noah: They may have very different ideas around our role as a father, ? And how do we, , make some of those assumptions, some of those expectations that are hidden , and assumed explicit?
Dave: Yeah.
Noah: How do we get clear on like,
Noah: on like,
Noah: "Oh, honey, like I [00:28:00] know your dad was a carpenter and really great at these kinds of projects.
Noah: I don't have that skill set, and I'm not sure it behooves us for me to spend the time and energy trying to acquire that skill set, , even though I'm the man of the house, so to speak. But maybe
Noah: we,
Noah: maybe we outsource that," ? Or, , I mean, little things like, "Oh, wait, I-I don't expect you to cook all the meals.
Noah: Let me cook some of the meals." Or like s- what are some of the roles that previous generations have had? , Divisions of labor that maybe were in-- , they were what they were for the time, but we have so much more awareness and choicefulness , around how we, um live into our roles as fathers.
Noah: And some of it's like the logistics and the mental load and the, , who's tending to what and who's doing the laundry. And some of it's like who's teaching the kid how to bike or who's playing soccer with them or who's, , talking to them about [00:29:00] finances. , And not that I-- any of these things have to be one parent or the other, right?
Noah: It can be a both and that each parent brings their flavor of, um, selfhood into, into the picture as a parent. But that, that the more clarity we have internally with ourselves and the more we think through it and talk through it with our brothers and our community, , then the easier it is for us to have those conversations in, in our homes and in our families and in our partnerships.
Noah: Um, yeah. Yeah.
Dave: Yeah. And , it, it was, I, I think Maslow said, "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
Noah: nail." Mm-hmm. You
Noah: know? All, all
Dave: All, all your problems
Dave: look like nails. And part of fleshing out the role of fathering from the heart is, , this traditional way in which father has played [00:30:00] authoritarian, , has, has yielded authority, , is A, extremely limited, and B, , often the wrong tool for the job and causes harm, right?
Dave: And so fathering from the heart is about fathering in a conscious, , purposeful way. Which, , it doesn't mean perfection at all, just to be clear. , That is not a takeaway from the course. ? No one's aiming for perfection here. But we're aiming to show up in a way that, , allows dads to engage in their own lives, their own process,, to show up intentionally with purpose and to make mistakes, and then to come back and learn from the mistakes , and continue growing. ? That's a very [00:31:00] different model of fathering than, , the traditional way, ?
Dave: right?
Noah: Yeah. I mean, it's maybe a, um, ancestral way rather than a traditional way. Mm-hmm. I like
Noah: Yeah ... Yeah, because I feel like somewhere deep in our roots, , we could find our way back to Men who fathered from their hearts and, , who were intentional and conscientious .
Noah: And I'm sure there was plenty of following certain rubrics , and roles for their genders at those times as well. ,
Noah: Just thinking that as much as, as there are threads of,
Noah: of, , pain and intergenerational, , distortions of wellness, there are also for all of us threads of, of health and wholeness and wellness that are kind of transmitting [00:32:00] themselves down through , our ancestral lines and, , lineages.
Noah: And so, , we get to embrace those and lean on those and, and find those and discover those,
Dave: transmitting themselves down through our, our ancestral lines and, uh, lineages.
Dave: And so, yeah, we get to embrace those and lean on those , and find those and discover those, um- Yeah. The wellspring, the... A- , maybe even the blueprint that's buried within- Mm-hmm ... , for, , wholeness and empowered leadership. Yeah. That might be as old as time, , , but within each one of us and part of the work
Dave: that we're
Dave: attempting here with Fathering From the Heart is to
Dave: surface the gold, , which is sometimes buried in the shadow.
Noah: shadow. Yeah. So,
Dave: , I think that's why this container might be necessary, is that we need something to hold the darkness,[00:33:00]
Dave: the messiness, the, uh, anger,
Dave: the triggers, the, , frustration, the exhaustion, the burnout. Hold it in such a way that it allows for
Dave: authenticity to surface.
Noah: Yeah. Beautiful. I love that. For the authenticity to surface and-
Dave: We're gonna do it all again.
Noah: Right.
Noah: That's where I was gonna go. I just-- Well, I just wanted to say first if, if any of this is resonating, is landing, is feeling, , great. , We're so glad that you've made it to this podcast to get to hear about it.
Noah: , Feel free to subscribe to the podcast , and share it with another friend who might be interested th- in this and Rest assured that this , September 17th is gonna be our start date. We're gonna be running another cohort of [00:34:00] Fathering From the Heart. , It's a ways out, which is a great time to start to thinking about it and plan ahead.
Noah: You can sign up for the wait list for when registration opens officially at programs.counciloffathers.com. What an amazing Father's Day
Dave: What an amazing Father's Day gift.
Noah: Oh my God. Yeah. To yourself or any moms learning out there. Yeah. , You could certainly get that for your little, for your hubby. , And we will be also, over the course of the summer, having a couple of online, , work- live workshops that you can sign up for.
Noah: You can subscribe to our newsletter, either on our website or, , at Substack, , to find out about the dates , and times of those. And when you register for them, they're always recorded, and so you, you get access to the recording if you can't make it live. , . And we're really, really excited about what's happening.
Noah: If [00:35:00] you hear this and you're thinking, "Ah, who are the two or three or four guys that I know that, and each of them might have a friend, and we can organize a little in-person group." Like, it, it's never too early to, to float it out there and, and see if they're interested. , , and if you are curious about how to go about that or you have any questions, reach out.
Noah: We are more than happy to, to help with that process. , Yeah, I think, I think, , I get a lot of hope for where the world is headed from doing this work, even if we're just like , a small drop in the ocean. , It's sort of, uh,
Noah: this,
Noah: this gesture of like, I can only do so much, but I'm gonna do everything I can, even if it's only so much.
Noah: And, and together, we all get to do a lot. ...
Dave: Yeah. Yeah. It's been such a treat, , [00:36:00] such a pleasure to be a part of dads saying , to us that they've-- that they feel transformed, .
Dave: ... Or they feel engaged, or, , they feel hope.
Dave: . Gathering together with other dads, talking about fathering from the heart, talking from the heart, . what is it? It's, it's healing.
Noah: Yeah.
Noah: It's beautiful. Dave, thank
Noah: you for walking the path with me. It's always an honor and a privilege. And, we look forward to hearing-- You can always email us at connect@counciloffathers.com if you have any questions or suggestions for the podcasts or anything like that.
Noah: We're, we're, we're open to it all.
Dave: We
Dave: We have another event coming up.
Noah: We do have another event
Dave: On May 13th.
Noah: May 13th. May 13th. It's- With some
Dave: With some friends.
Noah: With
Noah: friends. So the, the event is called Sacred Polarity, and it's an [00:37:00] exploration, an embodied exploration into the sacred feminine and the sacred masculine that we're collaborating with the Sacred Feminine Collective.
Noah: , It's gonna be a beautiful evening and-
Dave: Here in
Noah: Here in Boulder ... here in Boulder at Kelly's Barn. It's gonna be a great, great experience. I'm really excited
Dave: Yeah. And you can learn more about that on our website?
Noah: Yeah. And you can learn more about
Noah: that
Dave: Excellent.
Noah: our website? Yeah. And I'll put a link in the show notes. Great. Excellent. All right. Okay. Have a beautiful day.
Noah: Enjoy, uh, whatever it is that you have been doing while you were listening this and continue on your day. And, um, yeah, we'll be in touch.
Dave: Thank you for
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Noah: for listening. Bye-bye.